Yevamos Daf 25- Rumor and Suspicion

Daf Yomi In Motion #108- Yevamos Daf 25- Rumor and Suspicion

Rav and Rebbe:

  1. Case:
    1. Man rumored to have lived with Eishes Eish.
    2. Husband of women divorces her because of the rumor.
    3. Suspect man marries the women even though it’s forbidden.
  2. Rav- the suspect only has to divorce her if witnesses testify that the relations in fact happened.
  3. Rebbe- Suspect must divorce her even without witnesses because it’s suspicious and strengthens the rumor the fact that they got married as soon as the women was divorced from first husband.
    1. the “boel” adulterer is forbidden to be with her Diorissa if they had relations. In this case the strong suspicion forbids them derabbonen.
  4. Rav and Rebbe aren’t arguing – rather just referring to different aspects of the case of when the rumor was broken.
    1. Rav is just telling us that even when the the rumor was broken by a contradictory rumor, which normally allows them to stay married, if witnesses testify they have to divorce.
    2. Rebbe  said that he has to divorce because of an unbroken rumor that continued for at least a day and a half.

Divorces Wife because of Shem Rah or Neder Shouldn’t take her back

  1.  If the husband does remarry her we don’t make him divorce her.

Messenger that brings a Get from outside of Eretz Israel shouldn’t marry her

  1. If the get is coming from Eretz Israel then he can marry her.
  2. Reason: from Chutz L’oretz we’re relying on his word for the L’Shma and from Eretz Israel we’re not relying on him for the L’shma.

Rabbonen vs. Rebbe Yehuda

  1. Messenger says one of the following things:
    1. husband is dead.
    2. I killed your husband or
    3. we killed your husband.
  2. Rabbonen: he can’t marry her but others can for all statements.
  3. Rebbe Yehuda:
    1. “I killed him” nobody can marry her.
    2. For the other two wordings  messenger can’t marry her but others can.
  4. Rav Manahsa and Rav Yosef-
    1. Rav Manasha- the rabbonen aren’t lenient with Aidus Eisha and if the Aid is a Rasha Diorissa he’s not believed that her husband died.
      1. Messenger’s testimony is believed for others because he holds like Rava- Palginin Dibura.
      2. Therefore even Rovah B’Ritzoni Aid is believed.
      3. Rav Yosef that Rovah B’ritzoni isn’t believed is because he holds only like Rav Yehuda.
    2. Rav Yosef  said for the Avera of  Rovah the Aid wasn’t believed and for Aidus Eisha the Aid was believed for others.
      1. Aidus Eisha is different because we’re lenient.
      2. Rav Manasha- that said we’re not lenient with Aidus Eisha holds only like Rav Yehuda.

Rav Ashi- Where the  Rabbonen forbade to remarry the women and he married B’Issur We let them stay together.

  1. Chochum that Ussered the women on her husband from going back to him. Didn’t Moter her Neder.
  2. Messenger that brought the get.
  3. Maid Servant that was freed.
  4. Goya that converted.

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