Yevamos Daf 25- Rumor and Suspicion

Daf Yomi In Motion #108- Yevamos Daf 25- Rumor and Suspicion

Rav and Rebbe:

  1. Case:
    1. Man rumored to have lived with Eishes Eish.
    2. Husband of women divorces her because of the rumor.
    3. Suspect man marries the women even though it’s forbidden.
  2. Rav- the suspect only has to divorce her if witnesses testify that the relations in fact happened.
  3. Rebbe- Suspect must divorce her even without witnesses because it’s suspicious and strengthens the rumor the fact that they got married as soon as the women was divorced from first husband.
    1. the “boel” adulterer is forbidden to be with her Diorissa if they had relations. In this case the strong suspicion forbids them derabbonen.
  4. Rav and Rebbe aren’t arguing – rather just referring to different aspects of the case of when the rumor was broken.
    1. Rav is just telling us that even when the the rumor was broken by a contradictory rumor, which normally allows them to stay married, if witnesses testify they have to divorce.
    2. Rebbe  said that he has to divorce because of an unbroken rumor that continued for at least a day and a half.

Divorces Wife because of Shem Rah or Neder Shouldn’t take her back

  1.  If the husband does remarry her we don’t make him divorce her.

Messenger that brings a Get from outside of Eretz Israel shouldn’t marry her

  1. If the get is coming from Eretz Israel then he can marry her.
  2. Reason: from Chutz L’oretz we’re relying on his word for the L’Shma and from Eretz Israel we’re not relying on him for the L’shma.

Rabbonen vs. Rebbe Yehuda

  1. Messenger says one of the following things:
    1. husband is dead.
    2. I killed your husband or
    3. we killed your husband.
  2. Rabbonen: he can’t marry her but others can for all statements.
  3. Rebbe Yehuda:
    1. “I killed him” nobody can marry her.
    2. For the other two wordings  messenger can’t marry her but others can.
  4. Rav Manahsa and Rav Yosef-
    1. Rav Manasha- the rabbonen aren’t lenient with Aidus Eisha and if the Aid is a Rasha Diorissa he’s not believed that her husband died.
      1. Messenger’s testimony is believed for others because he holds like Rava- Palginin Dibura.
      2. Therefore even Rovah B’Ritzoni Aid is believed.
      3. Rav Yosef that Rovah B’ritzoni isn’t believed is because he holds only like Rav Yehuda.
    2. Rav Yosef  said for the Avera of  Rovah the Aid wasn’t believed and for Aidus Eisha the Aid was believed for others.
      1. Aidus Eisha is different because we’re lenient.
      2. Rav Manasha- that said we’re not lenient with Aidus Eisha holds only like Rav Yehuda.

Rav Ashi- Where the  Rabbonen forbade to remarry the women and he married B’Issur We let them stay together.

  1. Chochum that Ussered the women on her husband from going back to him. Didn’t Moter her Neder.
  2. Messenger that brought the get.
  3. Maid Servant that was freed.
  4. Goya that converted.

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Yevamos Daf 24- The Oldest Is Miyavem

 

Daf Yomi In Motion #107- Yevamos Daf 24- The Oldest Is Miyavem

 Cohenim  Married To  a Safik Chalitzah Can Keep Her.

  1. Chalitzah is a Din D’Rabbonen and for a Din D’Rabbonen the Rabbonen weren’t gozer that he has to divorce her.

The Oldest Is Miyavem

  1. Pasuk
    1. “HaBachor”- Mitzvas Yibum is done by the Oldest.
    2. “Asher Teh Laid”- The Yavamah has to be fertile.
    3. “Yawkim Aall Shem Achiv”- The Yavum inherits the deceased brother’s portion from the father.
  2. Six Ways To Understand what “HaBachor” tells us-
    1. that only when there’s a Bachor can Yibum be done. However  any of the brothers is allowed to do it.
    2. When there’s a Bachor then the Bachor has to do the Yibum, but when there’s not Bachor then any of the brothers can perform it.
    3. When there’s a Bachor then if none of the other brothers want to Miaybem her then the Bachor is forced to do it.
    4. Even when there is no Bachor the oldest is first in line to Miaybem. If none of the brothers want her then it goes back to the oldest brother. Bachor just means the oldest.
    5. “HaBachor” alone when he is Miaybem inherits the deceased brother’s portion, but the other brothers never inherit in his place.
    6. “HaBachor” only inherits from his father existing assets upon the father’s death so too any brother can Miaybem but he only inherits like a Bachor.

Converts

  1. Gerim aren’t accepted when Israel is in it’s glory only when we are low.

Rumors -a man had relations with a married woman. Brissa vs. Our Mishna

  1. Brissa:  Rumor>Husband Divorces>She Marries other man>Other man divorces her>Adulterer Marries her>Adulterer is allowed to stay with her.
    1. Even though she married and it broke the rumor- the adulterer isn’t supposed to marry her.
    2. If he did marry her we let them stay together.
  2. Mishna: Rumor>Husband Divorces>She Marries other man>Other man divorces her>Adulterer Marries her>Adulterer must Divorce Her.
    1. In case where there weren’t children from the first husband . If  children were born than adulterer can stay with the woman so people shouldn’t say that the children are mamzerim.
    2. With witnesses even with children the adulterer divorces her.
    3. Rav – the Mishna is talking about there are children and witnesses.

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