Sanhedrian Daf 071 – HaTanoim HaTzrichim L’Kiam Shem Ben Sorrer U’Morror

Sanhedrian Daf 071 – HaTanoim HaTzrichim L’Kiam Shem Ben Sorrer U’Morror

To Be a Ben Sorrer U’Morror one has to have:

  1. He stole from his father and/or mother or both. (Rebbi Yosi b. Rebbi Yehuda holds that he has to have stolen also from the mother) -Easily accessible.
  2. Ate and drank in the domain of someone other than his father. Doesn’t fear the retribution of his father.
  3. Under these conditions Chazal worried that this person would continue in this habit.
    1. he has access and he’s comfortable where he eats/drinks it.
    2. When we think he will continue then Chazal had the sevora to kill him while he’s innocent before he would be Chiav and also hurt or kill someone.
    3. Both parents have to agree that the boy should be killed.
    4. rebbi Yehuda says that the mother has to have the same voice and height as the father for the son to even become a ben sorror U’morror.
  4. Rebbi Yosi b. Rebbi Yehuda says that he has to steal also from the mother.  How can she have her own money?
    1. Food was set aside for both the father and the mother.
    2. money was set aside for them to have a meal.
    3. Someone gave money to  the mother and said that the money will be hers on condition that her husband will not acquire it.

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